Challenge: The Bible Is Okay with Abortion

Posted: October 18, 2011 by Amy Hall in Do the Right Thing, God Has Spoken, Weekly Challenge

This comic from an atheist site sums up a few different Bible-related objections to the pro-life position that human life at all stages is worthy of rights and protection.

So a friend sends you the comic…how do you respond? Which objection do you answer first? (Incidentally, from what I hear from pro-choicers, they really do think that the motivation behind the pro-life position is a desire to control women. That’s something to keep in mind whenever you have conversations about abortion.)

We’ll hear Alan’s response on Thursday.

Comments
  1. Chad Miller says:

    For starters he’s using a faulty translation, which is the basis for his entire argument. Remove his faulty foundation and the rest of the argument is moot.

    NASB
    22 “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

    ESV
    22″When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

    HCSB
    22 “When men get in a fight, and hit a pregnant woman so that her children are born prematurely, but there is no injury, the one who hit her must be fined as the woman’s husband demands from him, and he must pay according to judicial assessment. 23 If there is an injury, then you must give life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, bruise for bruise, wound for wound.

    It’s pretty clear that this passage is actually a strong passage to use for the pro-life apologetic. If these men were fighting and the child died, the man responsible was to pay “life for life”.

  2. Thomas Loghry says:

    Chad basically nailed it, but also a secondary way to tackle this particular argument is to show that breath doesn’t necessarily refer to physical breath, but rather to the spirit of life.

  3. Dawn says:

    They are ignoring the Biblical passages that refer to pre-born children – like Jacob and Esau “struggling” in the womb, Jeremiah being known before he was born, John the Baptist leaping with joy in his mothers womb. These passages describe pre-born children experiencing the same emotions as born children. Only living beings can struggle, be known and leap with joy.

    I would also ask what makes them think the pro-life position is about keeping women under control? What evidence do they have to support this position? As depicted in the cartoon it is a pretty dramatic leap to that conclusion.

    • Albert says:

      Dawn, I think the ‘keeping women under control’ argument stems from us telling women what they can do with their own bodies. But again, this too is a fallacy as we argue that the unborn human person is an actual separate human person then the woman that is carrying it. Once we defeat that argument, the keeping them in control, I think, falls away.

  4. Jack says:

    “So a friend sends you this comic…how do you respond?”

    I’d send it back to him and ask him to explain each point in detail. If he can do that I would then proceed as per the other replies in this topic. (Saves a lot of wasted effort that way….:) )

  5. Adrian Urias says:

    ditto with chad.

    the position is true or not independently of evil Christian men’s desire to oppress women.

  6. Adrian Urias says:

    Also the breath of life isnt necessary to be alive. we know a embryo is alive even if it isnt breathing. and the fetus does breath just through the tube. The creation of adam and eve is also a very special case being the first people. They were created with the appearance of age. Not like we see today in hospitals and stuff. So the two are by no means comparable.

  7. Karl says:

    Let’s take Greg’s approach: read everything in context.

    King James Version
    Exod 21:20-25 “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he [is] his money. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart [from her], and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges [determine]. And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot. Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”

    ESV Exod 21:20-25 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged.But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

    “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”

    Give life for life? But what is life?

    Gen 2:4 – 7 “These [are] the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and [there was] not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

    Gen 7:13 – 16 “In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark; They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein [is] the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.”

    The Lord’s Word clearly shows that breath is essential to life, but not the cause of life(you want to show me otherwise, be my guest). Exodus also shows that life exists in the womb of a pregnant woman, as the law protects its safety.

    I agree with both Chad and Jack. Get the actual meanings of the verses, and get YOUR friend to explain THEIR view for YOU.